What does Maine’s rejection of gay marriage mean for California?
Similarities abound in Maine, California same-sex marriage ballot measures
Despite a fundraising advantage, an army of battle-tested staff and volunteers, and the support of the state Legislature and the governor, supporters of same-sex marriage in Maine failed to sway voters Tuesday.

Partners Lisa Brackbill, left, and Lisa Pugh, right, both from Buckfield, Maine console one another along with Darlene Huntress, center, of Portland, after learning about the unofficial defeat on Question 1 at election night headquarters in Portland, Maine, early Wednesday morning, Nov. 4, 2009. Maine voters decided decide to rescind the Legislature's approval of same-sex marriage.(AP Photo/Pat Wellenbach)
Question 1, a repeal of the New England state’s law allowing same-sex marriage, passed with 52.7 percent of voters in favor; nearly parallel to the 52 percent of California’s voters last year that passed Proposition 8, the Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage in the Golden State.
Maine’s vote resonates in California, where gay rights activists are divided whether to push for a repeal of the same-sex marriage ban in 2010, or wait until 2012, and many wonder what Maine’s rejection of same-sex marriage means for California’s movement.
“Maine was supposed to be the way the gay marriage movement overcame the loss in California with Proposition 8,” said Brian Brown, the executive director of the National Organization for Marriage in California, the largest donor to the ProtectMarriage.com-Yes on 8 campaign, and an executive committee member for Stand for Marriage Maine, the largest donor to the Yes on 1 campaign. “Everything was in their favor … (and) they still lost. The people of Maine do not support same-sex marriage, just as the people in 31 states in this country do not support same-sex marriage. In 31 states where same-sex marriage has been put to a vote, supporters of traditional marriage have won.
“There simply has not been a shift to support same-sex marriage (nationwide) - that’s just not true,” Brown continued. “Advocates of same-sex marriage want to take whatever poll that shows them ahead that day to use as a battering ram.”
Dr. Thad Kousser, an associate professor of political science at the University of California San Diego and a visiting professor at Stanford University, says, however, “Maine’s vote means nothing for California.”
“As Maine goes, California hardly notices,” Kousser said. “But, I think (Tuesday’s) results and recent polls showing President Obama with a 54 percent approval rating, means one year out, the 2010 election is shaping up to be a normal, off-year election, where the president and the ruling party finds itself in a sophomore slump. And that would bode poorly for attempts to undo Proposition 8.
“If there are going to be any tea leaves read, it would be that 2010 is not looking that great, and I think for strategists, that means a lot of uncertainty.”
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Dr. Ronnee Schreiber, an associate professor of political science who teaches courses in American and California politics at San Diego State University, said it may be wise for supporters of same-sex marriage to “err on the side of caution” when deciding whether try to repeal Proposition 8 in 2010 or 2012.
“2010 will be midterm elections which, historically, go against the party in the White House,” she said. “If that is the case - and again, we’re talking historically - there will be more Republican voters, and that certainly isn’t going to help the cause.”
Brown said Maine’s vote dealt a “devastating blow” to supporters of same-sex marriage - one he’s not convinced they will recover from soon.
“I don’t think there’s a high likelihood of success whether it is in 2010 or 2012,” Brown said. “Clearly with the vote in Maine, in 2010, there doesn’t seem to be much evidence that would be a successful path to take.”

Frank Schubert, campaign director for Stand for Marriage Maine, claims victory for Yes on 1, Tuesday evening, Nov. 3, 2009, in Portland, Maine. Question 1 was the proposal to rescind the Legislature's approval of same-sex marriage(AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)
Similar stories unfolded in Maine and California. Supporters of same-sex marriage out-fundraised opponents - in Maine, by nearly twice as much - and had the support of their governors, prominent elected officials, and major daily print media outlets. They also had a great deal of momentum; in California, from the Supreme Court case that overturned an eight-year-old law defining marriage as a union between one man and one woman; and in Maine, from the state Legislature’s support of a same-sex marriage law that was signed by Gov. John E. Baldacci.
Similar endings unfolded too. In both states, supporters of traditional marriage - a marriage between a man and a woman - won by, roughly, 52 to 48 percent. And in both cases, the campaigns to undo same-sex marriage prevailed using identical strategies; namely, pointing out what they say the consequences of same-sex marriage would be. In both states, the most effective argument to mobilize voters was traditional marriage supporters’ claims that changing the definition of marriage would lead to same-sex marriage being taught in schools.
With the high-profile losses in California and Maine, the traditional marriage movement has new momentum.
“For gay rights activists, this definitely means they have to redouble their efforts,” Schreiber said. “From the anti-gay rights perspective, they will use this (Maine vote) to say the country isn’t ready for same-sex marriage, that it is not acceptable, and that the will of the people stands. Gay rights activists have to try to change public opinion and frame the issue differently.
“The key here from all this for gay activists may be they have to re-frame the issue, and figure out what arguments are working and what arguments are not working,” Schreiber continued. “They have to figure out how to appeal to voters.”
Geoffrey Kors, the executive director of Equality California (EQCA), the state’s largest gay rights organization, said there is still “hard work to do” for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community advocating for same-sex marriage.
EQCA endorsed a 2012 bid to repeal Proposition 8, despite a grassroots effort to move forward in 2010. Kors said, according to the organization’s analysis, same-sex marriage supporters have a 4 percent advantage of winning marriage rights in 2012.

Two people argue their differences regarding same-sex marriage in front of City Hall, in Portland, Maine, on Wednesday, Nov. 4, 2009, a day after voters rejected the gay marriage law. (AP Photo/Pat Wellenbach)
“We’re closing the gap; it means we have to tell more people our stories, make more phone calls, go door-to-door and engage voters in California,” Kors said. “If we continue to close the gap, we believe we can go back to the ballot in 2012 and be victorious. The message is keep at it, because we are making progress. This is a long battle. We believe 2012 is the best chance we have to win back our right to marry, and we believe we should focus our energy on the election. As people look at the results in Maine, and they take it and look at whether to go back to the ballot in 2010 or 2012, I think it makes clear, 2012 is a much better chance for us.”
Kors said he’s looking on the bright side. A ballot initiative in Washington upholding legal protections for domestic partners, and a ballot initiative in Kalamazoo, Mich., protecting LGBT people from employment and housing discrimination both passed. That illustrates progress, Kors said.
“It’s important to note, that while we lost in Maine, we won in Washington state and we won in Kalamazoo, Mich., and that shows we are starting to win ballot measures where we come together to do the work,” Kors said. “As we continue to move forward, it will take all of us to get engaged.”
Even if supporters of same-sex marriage put their best effort forward, Brown is skeptical a repeal of Proposition 8 would go over well with voters - particularly in light of Maine’s vote.
“I think, to me, the question isn’t so much about what Maine’s vote says for 2010 or 2012, but what it says about whether there is any likelihood for success in the immediate future for overturning Proposition 8 at all,” Brown said. “Whether that is in 2010 or 2012, I’m confident we’ll be successful upholding marriage as a union between a man and a woman.”
Joseph Peña is the lifestyle editor for San Diego News Network. He can be reached at joseph.pena(at)sdnn.com. Follow him on Twitter: @josephpena.
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Comment by: elliot.hicks Posted: November 5, 2009, 3:15 pm
Sad to see that people are willing to put so much energy into limiting the rights of others.
Comment by: Alan Robinson Posted: November 5, 2009, 5:50 pm
Perhaps Maine would successfully adopt a civil union law passed by the legislature and signed by the Governor. It seems that a good bit of the heartburn for many folks is the word marriage. I suspect that such a bill would pass and would fail to draw enough ire to cause a repeat of proposition 1. Civil unions aren’t marriage, true. However, until the repeal of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, there is little substantive difference between a civil union and a marriage for Mainers. Families would actually receive substantial badly needed legal protections. That’s important.
Comment by: Konstantin Posted: November 5, 2009, 6:51 pm
elliot.hicks,
there are different people out there, with different “rights” as perceived by you.
For instance, people can NOT marry their mother, father, sisters, brothers, goats, donkeys, or multiple of those mentioned above…
Perhaps limiting “rights” of some is better for the society in general, and for the children in particular. No?
Comment by: momag Posted: November 5, 2009, 8:50 pm
Maine does have domestic partnership laws.
Comment by: Alan Robinson Posted: November 5, 2009, 9:31 pm
Konstantin,
no!
Comment by: 109 Posted: November 5, 2009, 11:40 pm
Konstantin, unless you’re calling homosexuals goats, then they are different altogether. People are allowed to marry outside of traditional racial and religious groups. Why can’t they marry outside of traditional gender groups as well?
Comment by: Egbert Posted: November 6, 2009, 9:41 am
@Konstantin.
This is an equality issue, not a question of marriage per se. This is a drive to grant equal rights to homosexual partners that heterosexual partners receive under the law, and the most direct route is to allow same-sex partners to marry. If federal (and state) laws granted civil unions the same rights as “marriage” then the issue would be moot.
But yet again those who oppose equal rights are distorting and lying about what this is about. Nowhere in any legislation that has been voted on or passed has contained requirements to teach about same sex partnerships in elementary schools, and the citing of marriage to siblings, offspring and/or animals is yet another lame attempt to associate homosexuals with molestation, bestiality etc.
Comment by: BloodFromMachines Posted: November 6, 2009, 10:46 am
I hate that quote: “If gays get married, then people would have a right to marry their cousins/pets/etc.”
There are some Prop. 8 (CA) and 1 (ME) supporters that would marry their cousins or their pets.
Comment by: Jeffrey Taylor Posted: November 6, 2009, 12:00 pm
Quite a shame that you didn’t follow the AP, NY Times, SF Chronicle and several others’ lead and take quotes from pro-2010 organizers in California.
Comment by: Keegan Posted: November 6, 2009, 2:41 pm
It’s HETEROSEXUAL-ONLY marriage. There is no such thing as “traditional” marriage. Practically all the heterosexuals that voted for heterosexual-only marriage would vote against any legal recognition of gay relationships. Yes, their is bigotry involved. The vast majority of heterosexuals do not want gay people to be on a level playing field with them that why they vote against anything that would do such like anti-discrimination or adoption or marriage.
Comment by: Will Posted: November 6, 2009, 3:26 pm
Why are we so obsessed with overturning Prop 8 in California? We’ve had marriage equality in Massachusetts for five years. We now have it in Connecticut, Vermont, New Hampshire, and of all places Iowa. I think we really need to look beyond the borders of California for advancing this argument. Los Angeles and the Bay Area are liberal. San Diego, Orange County and the rest of the state — not so much. Please let’s not just focus on CA as the Holy Grail of marriage equality.
Comment by: John Bisceglia Posted: November 6, 2009, 6:29 pm
“How can we have any dignity, honor or pride in ourselves if we validate this continued process of ballot box terrorism?” - David Mixner
I think that says it all.
This is Heterosexual Dictatorship; Theocracy.
But I never signed up to pay taxes for that crap, and I’ll be damned if I’ll ever comply with a country that segregates my family and excludes us from our constitutionally-guaranteed rights.
Comment by: jlb Posted: November 6, 2009, 7:41 pm
What a waste of time and energy. Trying to redefine a term, ( marriage), understood globally for all human history as between a man and a women is ignorance personified.
The truth is most people do not care what others do in private. But marriage is not what the argument is about, is it?
The same sex community are arguing to make a law, which removes the right for anyone to believe that same sex relationships are wrong, even on religious principles. The redefinition makes someone a criminal if they believe it and think it and say it in a public forum: they could go to jail.
But, that is the whole point. The end is religious and moral authority as well as legal and social equality enforced by the government. This is not an overestimation but an underestimation of the long term impact of such a law.
Rather than taking advantage of the political and moral climate we have today and write some sensible and comprehensive common law which has teeth and which gives the same sex marriage advocates the things that they say they need, all their energies are focused into finding a way to get what they want. And what they want is a law which forces others to say that what they do is not only legal and social but religiously moral.
Such an approach has great dangers. People may not care who you sleep with, but they will fight you to the death over their religion.
Comment by: Randy Posted: November 7, 2009, 2:20 am
It MUST be on the ballot in 2010. Who cares if we lose? These are the reasons:
(1) Consistency. Demonstrate that we believe in our cause enough to give people the chance to vote it through if they agree with us.
(2) Turnout. If you think 2010 turnout is going to be low, consider 2009 turnout in Maine. Talk about an off-off-year election. Turnout was not low. And though we lost, we still came very close to winning. People fight for us. We owe them that fight.
(3) Dominate the fight. Why are we always reacting? Make THEM spend money on California where we have a shot. That gives them LESS money for other places. And there’s only one Maggie. Keep her flying from coast to coast if we can.
(4) Question clarity. Did you read that Maine question? It was very confusing, Yes for No, No for Yes, and it was a two-parter. If WE get to set the question, we can make it a good one (except for the anti-polygamous language that somehow got into it for some reason … what does that have to do with us?)
Comment by: Francis Posted: November 7, 2009, 9:02 am
NOM is now focusing on NH. It is likely they will succeed in overturning marriage equality there, too. NOM, the Catholic Church, the Mormons, the Christian evangelicals are waging political warfare against GLBTs. GLBTs are a small minority and it is amazing that almost half of the pop are with us. BUT the Dems and many involved in progressive issues really don’t support us. We’ve gotten the support we have by coming out to friends and families and co-workers. Many of us will now abandon the Dems and withdraw our support of other progressive issues. We will return when we have real backing. Until then, screw them! Let them do it without us as we have to without their support!
Comment by: NVTodd Posted: November 8, 2009, 4:40 am
Civil Unions are not a solution to anything; the same organizations and people dumping money into Maine from out of state to stop same-sex marriage dumped money into Washington State to defeat Civil Unions there.
The agenda is to stop ANY progress for gay people at ALL costs.
If we want to make real progress we have to organize, boycott, forge allainces, and stop politely asking for equality. We need to sue, sue sue, we need to go after them all where it hurts, and we need to sue to stop paying taxes to a government that actively oppresses us !
Comment by: JZ Posted: November 20, 2009, 12:47 pm
the whole civil unions vs actual “marriage” is the same debate that was waged and lost over “separate but equal” for racially divided/segregated areas of life. when will everyone understand that unless the wording is EXACTLY the same, you cannot say “this group has the same protections, just under a different name.”
i think any two consenting adults should be allowed to be married, and receive all the benefits/tribulations that, so far, have only been granted to heterosexuals in history. Marriage has its roots in religion, but so do many other things that have been changed in secular society.