Len Simon: Husband and wife debate the seals issue
A point / counterpoint argument about the seals with Len Simon and Candace Carroll.

(Photo courtesy by San Diego 6 CW)
OK, here’s your public affairs quiz for the day. What public controversy is taking up the time of a federal judge, a state judge, a state legislature, a city council, and threatens to involve a governor, a mayor, and the federal and state appeals courts? The collapse of GM? Nope. Guantanamo? Nope. The banking mess, or our economy in general? Iraq? Afghanistan? Nope, nope, nope, nope.
The answer, of course, is the seals in La Jolla. Federal district court judge William Hayes, who has plenty of other things to do, is deciding whether to extend an injunction blocking removal of the seals. State Superior Court Judge Yuri Hoffman, who also has plenty of other things to do, is reviewing the details of plans to remove the seals. The California legislature, which should be spending full time solving our state budget crisis, is considering a bill to empower the City of San Diego to resolve the seal problem. If the legislation passes, the Governor will have to decide whether to sign or veto it. And if, as most people expect, the legislature and governor pass a new state law turning the problem over to San Diego, the City Council and Mayor Sanders, who still have a pension problem to solve (yeah, remember that?), among many others things, will be in the driver’s seat. Unless the federal or state courts stop them.
Read Len Simon’s wife, Candace Carroll’s counterpoint
Indeed, the only governmental body not (yet) involved is Congress. Of course, Senators Feinstein and Boxer might want to consider that maybe, since the matter is in two courts and the losers seems quite likely to be sore and to appeal forever, they should ask Judge Sotomayor what she thinks about seals in her upcoming Supreme Court confirmation hearings. She could be the swing vote. Do empathetic Latinas like seals or kids?
So, you are probably wondering, what is my position on the seals and the kids? Many people feel very strongly about it, on both sides. I feel strongly as well, but on my own “side.”
I feel quite strongly that THIS IS INSANE!

Len Simon is an SDNN columnist.
It is one thing to have most of America debating whether the right guy won American Idol, but at least they are just ordinary Americans. Yeah, they could be working, or raising their kids, or playing golf, or reading a good book, but what the heck, if they are upset that Adam [Lambert] lost, let them vent. But to have all these judges and legislators focused on this rather small issue is beyond inefficient. It is downright CRAZY.
Seals are nice, I like them. Children are nice, I like them too. Beaches are nice, and beaches in La Jolla are very nice. There should be places for the seals, and for the children, at beaches, hopefully in La Jolla. But a cage fight to the death over one small piece of beach is NUTS. Yes, I know, there’s a trust that seems to favor the kids. And yes, I know, the seals can’t read trusts, came there in good faith, and make a lot of tourists happy. There is no simple answer to this question, and no reason to go to war over it. This is not the last beach left in the world after a nuclear holocaust. It will not set a precedent for anything, because the situation is unique. The seals will enjoy life somewhere, as will the kids. I know that kids are adaptable, and I think seals must be too. We need a solution, but the result, whatever it is, will not change the world that much.
So, you say, what is your solution? If the case has two good sides, shouldn’t we let the courts and legislatures duke it out? No, no a thousand times no! It is simply not worth the trouble, the appeals, the expense, the outrage, the future political campaigns against City Council people on the “wrong” side of the issue. Isn’t more than a decade of fighting over this little beach enough? And the ultimate resolution will not be “right,” it will just be the ultimate resolution.
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So here is my solution. Remember, I’m a lawyer and law professor, and my ideas tend to be very complex, so be prepared for a sophisticated solution to this insoluble problem:
Flip a coin.
Get all the combatants into La Jolla Cove, get each side to agree to my solution, get them to choose a captain. Let the captain of one team choose heads or tails, let Mayor Sanders flip the coin in the air, and let the two judges decide if it’s heads or tails. (I know two is an even number, but they’re not likely to disagree on that.) That’s it. No appeal, no legislation, no BS. Heads, the seals win, they get to stay. It can’t be unthinkable, it’s what the Legislature and the Council are likely to do in a few months anyway. Tails, the kids win. It’s not so bad, its what the courts originally ruled based on the language of the trust document.
And then we move on. The judges can return to their cocaine conspiracies and tort cases. The state legislature can return to trying to add one plus one and getting seven. The City Council can continue to try to solve the pension problem, and maybe even talk about trash pickup or the Chargers.
Would it work? Sure. Would everybody go away happy? No, but there is no solution that guarantees that. But at least we could move on to something else, knowing we had resolved the seal controversy in a fair and efficient manner.
Len Simon is a columnist for SDNN.
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Comment by: Candace Carroll: Husband and wife debate the seals Posted: June 4, 2009, 7:09 am
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Comment by: Debbie Posted: June 4, 2009, 12:22 pm
I will show you 1,000 kids that have NO “public” pool to learn to swim in urban neighborhoods for every one child you show me who will be deprived of entering the “public” La Jolla Children’s Pool. $600,000 would keep urban pools open, provide drowning prevention and facilitate aquatic competence that can lead to good careers, good health and self-confidence.
Comment by: La Playa Heritage Posted: June 4, 2009, 12:30 pm
The most inexpensive solution is to leave the seals alone. The cost to do nothing is $0 dollars.
The plan to dredge the area into a “pool” configuration is not sustainable and will cause landsliding and cliff erosion and retreat along Scripps Park and may undermine Coast Boulevard at a cost of multi-million of taxpayer dollars.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/laplayaheritage/3062996014/in/set-72157610209700710/
Protect the harbor seals of La Jolla: Help Seal the Deal
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=205812585505
Please join the La Jolla Children’s Pool seal Facebook page for updates on this issue. Senate Bill SB-428 does not go into effect until January 1, 2010. Please email the state assembly members and Governor Schwarzenegger and ask them to pass SB-428 ASAP. The baby seal’s lives depend on it.
http://gov.ca.gov/interact
The City of San Diego is not liable for the seal feces. Animal dropping in animal habitats is normal. It is normal for wild animals to smell. If the City of San Diego wanted to stop smells associated with wild animals, they should start with the beautiful, but smelly cormorants above the white guano-stained coastal bluffs above the sea caves in La Jolla Cove.
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No matter, because Assembly Bill AB-411 approved in 1997 allows a distinction between man-made pollution, and natural pollution (such as animal habitats all over the world).
http://www.assembly.ca.gov/acs/acsframeset2text.htm
The taxpayer’s are not responsible for natural pollution.
Comment by: Ann Burke Posted: June 5, 2009, 9:09 pm
Why not just clear the sand away from the sluice screens on the wall and let the ocean do its job of cleaning up the seal feces. The build-up of sand That has reshaped the beach to form an ideal haul-out place for seals, would wash out with the tide as well. During the 60’s and 70’s, the beach was much lower, the seals were out on seal rock, north of the beach, and people used that beach all winter. Ellen Browning Scripps expected the city to maintain the children’s pool when she donated it. The city did not. The openings in the pool’s wall, intended as drains, were sealed after someone drowned when they got caught in one of them. The sand built up over the years, allowing the beach to become a very attractive place for the seals to haul out on. The city didn’t keep its agreement to maintain the pool and now we are left with this complete waste of time and money.
So, here’s a scenario. I’m a wealthy citizen who lives in an historic house filled with historic San Diego memorabilia. I decide to donate it to the city with the proviso that the house be maintained as a museum by the city, and the city accepts the terms of the gift. I pass on and the house becomes a museum. People come and tour. But then some windoes break, and the city does not repair them. Soon some endanged species of birds begin to fly in and nest. People come to see the birds and soon a whole contingent of bird supporters demands that the city not repair the windows so the birds can continue to have access. More people come to see the birds and soon there is an outcry to save the birds and not do anything that might disturb them, like having people visit the museum. Sound familiar?
Well I’m not a rich widow, but if I was, I certainly wouldn’t give anything to a city that cannot keep its agreements. Ellen Browning Scripps must be turning over in her grave!
Comment by: Guest Posted: June 17, 2009, 12:31 pm
So someone did drown in children’s pool and we want to open it back up for the kids? And your house issue turning into a museum? The city could sell off your house after you passed if they wanted to build a roadway so nothing is set just because you decide to leave it behind. It doesn’t mean that it is not going to go away. If that were the case, do you know how many run down shacks we would be living next door to? If you leave a car to someone, does that mean they have to keep it forever? Migration patterns change every so often so who is not to say they won’t leave on their own eventually?
Comment by: Judge orders city to remove seals from Children’s Pool Posted: July 20, 2009, 11:46 am
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